Massachusetts Renewable Energy Goals Fall Short
Massachusetts wants commercial wind energy to play a role in its clean energy future. Governor Patrick has committed Massachusetts to a goal of installing 2,000 Megawatts of wind energy before 2020.
Two reasons look to stop the renewable energy goal of land based commercial wind turbines. The residential property owners who live around them and the excessive operation and maintenance costs of the turbines. These two reasons alone must be deducted from the 2020 renewable energy goal.
First, each time a new megawatt commercial wind turbine gets installed another local citizens' group in that town quickly forms to curtail the operation of the turbines because of noise,shadow flicker,ice throw and real estate property devaluations.Groups of pro-wind residents living near wind turbines within weeks become anti- wind as soon as the 400 foot turbines start to spin. The operators of the turbines quickley find themselves in front of local boards and court.
Second, performance of wind turbines in New England showing that the economic life expenses of onshore wind turbines is very short in some cases between 3 and 5 years, not the 20 years projected by the wind industry and government projections.
The average load factor of wind turbines declines substantially as they get older, probably due to gear box failure. By as early as 5 years of age the contribution of an average New England wind turbine to meeting electricity demand has declined .
Many of the gear box driven megawatt turbines installed after 2008 will need expensive gear box replacements every 3 to 5 years. This raises the question of is it rarely economic to operate a wind turbine for more than 6 to 10 years? After 10 years they must be replaced with a new turbine or keep replacing major components .
Many investors, private owners and cities and towns expecting a return on their investment over 20 years will fall short of expectations. The gear box failures and the costs of a special crane to lift the gear boxes in and out contribute to the massive repair costs.

Bill Carson
8:46 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012
In the past three years we've seen brand new wind turbines have catastrophic failures. The Princeton,Massachusetts wind turbine ,gear box cost $600,000.00 for repairs.The Portsmouth High School ,Rhode Island gear box and blades cost near one million not repaired up for sale. The Otis ANG base turbine gear box in process of going bad government won't release repair estimate.The Charlestown,Massachusetts turbine tipped on foundation out of service months after start up.One Kingston wind turbine with a crack in the blade during installation.
Thousands of citizens and groups demanding shut downs because on noise issues, infra sound ,shadow flicker in Falmouth,Fairhaven,Kingston,Scituate and Plymouth. Noise is wind turbine torture !
http://firstrunfeatures.com/trailers_windfall.html
mark cool
10:17 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012
The absurdity of believing that all renewables are inherently good... simply because they are deemed renewable, is doing a disservice to the future of our state and the sustainable future possible for our children. The concept of Wind energy installations being ~shoe-horned~ into residential areas is asinine.
David KEnt
4:50 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I can't speak for anyone else Mark, but I have never believed that "renewables are inherently good... simply because they are deemed renewable". I have been much more involved in the Cape Wind debate than in the on-shore debate. And there the exact reverse is the dominant theme: "Wind energy is inherently bad because it will be an eye sore". This has led to Cape Wind opponents manufacturing baseless criticism after baseless criticism that have nothing to do with how they'll look. An unending series of lies. This, by the way, has hurt your fight against the Falmouth on-shore turbines: MANY people are so used to the lies of the Cape Wind opponents that they have trouble believing anyone opposed to a turbine.
Anyway, if Mr. Carson's criticisms check out they should be acknowledged in the debate as truth.
lilyloo
10:27 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012
Valuable insight via a comment in the Kingston Journal:
I remember attending a conference in Plymouth in 2009 on wind siting and listening to Mr Beaton speak rapturously about the visionary thing he was accomplishing for Kingston by bringing a turbine to town.
Knowing how close it would be to houses, I knew that once erected the reality would be quite different for nearby residents.
I had a powerful image of Beaton that day as a sort of modern day Babbitt*, a guy full of posturing and self-importance, but little substance underneath.
He obviously failed to understand turbine noise properly in the permitting phase, and now, when predictable problems surface, he is invested in denying their importance, or clinging to the idea of an illusory fix, because he has a psychological need to believe he has done a great thing for Kingston.
Who would be so blinded as to promote industrial turbines by right near a residential area? Only clueless or uncaring types.
I’m sorry to those of you in Kingston who are suffering. Your town officials, but especially your green energy committee, failed you miserably. Zip, zowie Mr. Beaton!
*Babbitt, first published in 1922, a novel by Sinclair Lewis. Largely a satire of American culture, behavior... in part, it critiques the pressures on individuals toward conformity (conformity here in Kingston would be Mr. Beaton's insistance we must embrace, the religion of allegedly "clean energy"!!!! Were we duped into drinking Mr Beaton's Koolaid?
Bill Carson
10:45 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012
The State of Massachusetts has a "play book" to deal with thousands of residents complaining about wind noise. The state through local town governments has brought in a Cambridge company to resolve residential issues. In Kingston the other night a wind turbine meeting turned into a circus.The role of the mediator went just like the 22 meetings in Falmouth. Obfuscation is the best word to describe the mediation.
The Kingston mediator wrote phrases on the board, and gave sympathetic looks to people, think, "Ohhhh, I'm sooo sorry your life stinks because of the turbine noise... let's give someone else a chance to talk."
They're trying to wear people down just as they did in Falmouth . It's impossible to to conceal unpleasant facts about infra sound. The mediation is a "highly skilled, calculated attempt to confuse the residents and the local news media.
lilyloo
11:32 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012
Mr Carson, you are spot on with the "confusion" by design observation.
The Kingston Board of Health themselves admitted confusion in that they thought the Mass CEC was to perform an acoustical study on all 4 industrial wind turbines sited within 1/2 mile of each other. It was also made public via an audience question that it was the Mass CEC and Consensus Building Institute that "put the agenda" together for that BOard of Health meeting, this raised eyebrows as the BOH is to set and approve all agenda items, is this not an interference with a BOH? in that the CBI tightly scripted the agenda and would not allow discussion on any issue they determined not part of their plan.
This was a dog and pony show pure and simple, and the audience was duped into believing this is about them getting a response to their public health emergency, when in reality it is the Mass CEC puppeteering the scope of an acoustical study that likely will not investigate the noise issues in a way that will prove anything at all. Obfuscation is the operational mission...really quite sickening...even the BOH members do not realize that they are being played, that is with the likely exception of the chairman of the Board of Health who is also the Chairman of the Board of Selectmen (he signed the wind contract for the Independence) AND he shook hands and promised that a vote on shut down would take place at this meeting...he knew the agenda needed to specifically have this written onto the posting, hmmmmm
Bill Carson
11:51 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012
The Massachusetts Clean Energy Center (Mass CEC) is only dedicated to accelerating the success of 2000 megawatts of renewable energy development aka commercial wind turbines by 2020. The Massachusetts Clean Energy Center used to be called the Massachusetts Technology Collaborative which was the state's economic development agency for 2000 megawatts of renewable energy by 2020.
The Massachusetts Clean Energy Center is a semi- quasi state agency whose only goal is 2000 megawatts of megawatts of renewable energy by 2020. The quickest way to get there is "break a few eggs" of residents who live around the turbines.
At some point the Massachusetts Attorney General should look at the relationships between wind contractors,town officials,state officials,semi-quasi agencies,wind study engineers and contracts.
The wind industry in Massachusetts is steam rolling the residential home owners.
David KEnt
6:20 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Lilyloo,
You’ll have to forgive me, but after 6 years of dissecting spurious claims against Cape Wind, I am a stickler for evidence. To wit:
Who said a feasibility study had been done without considering flicker? That certainly didn’t come from this thread.
On what do you base your contention that HMMH and Tech Environmental have provided “flawed acoustical testing information and reports”?. And I presume you have evidence that they “fudged” numbers, right?
What evidence do you have of a Mass CEC “play book to cloud” etc.?
You say: “The addition of CBI (consensus building) is further PROOF of an agenda”? Based on what?
Now from my questions, you’d probably think that I’m a Falmouth turbine supporter. I'm not. I believe the neighbors and I support getting rid of the turbines.
But my experience with Cape Wind is that people often make accusations like you've made without evidence and then those accusations take on lives of their own. So, I’d like to understand what you base those statements on.
sue hobart
12:50 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012
I am somewhat embarrassed to agree now that the Concensus Building Institute is indeed part of the "play book. "
A year ago Ms Smith actually came out to my home and listened as we poured our hearts out and somehow we believed she might be able to make some progress in the process. I even complimented her in an early meeting.
Unfortunately now I suspect everyone they speak to gets the same level of hope for whichever angle they are coming from.
All in all it's just spending more time and money to keep the things running longer.
Also, as long as we keep talking about "noise " we are seriously underestimating the source of the health problems...The root is low frequency vibrations that penetrate and wack out the vestibular system. We neighbors need to keep that out there because that is what will eventually bring these things down... that is the deadly consequence of this " shoe horning" behavior... What a great term Mark!
Bill Carson
1:56 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012
Fact #1.The state has a goal of 2000 megawatts of power by 2020
Fact #2.The state sold the wind turbines to Falmouth that they were stuck with since 2005.
Fact # 3 The same engineering and sound study companies get positive results to install wind turbines and then move on to the next job and do the same thing and get paid again.
Fact# 4 The mediation is amazingly ineffective, I've never seen anything like it. (23 meetings?)
Fact # 5 The sound study engineers,CEC,mediator ,town officials,state officials and wind contractors have an agenda to make money, job promotions, future jobs in the wind industry and now a new secondary industry rebuilding turbines only a few years old.
Final Fact # The Falmouth and Kingston wind situation has turned into forums for allowing the people to complain,huff and puff with the hopes they go away. The government has ruined the health of residential home owners to make a few dollars and they won't admit they made a mistake!
David KEnt
5:01 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Bill Carson,
Did you mean to say "life expectancies" rather than "life expenses"?
David KEnt
5:04 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
You know Bill, you seem to have a bunch of useful input on this subject that you have gained from professional experience. But you lose credibility when you say things like this:
"The sound study engineers,CEC,mediator ,town officials,state officials and wind contractors have an agenda to make money, job promotions, future jobs in the wind industry and now a new secondary industry rebuilding turbines only a few years old."
I don't know you but I presume that you cannot look into the souls of all of the people that you just slandered and know their inner motivations. I suggest that you refrain from impossible to verify speculation on peoples' motives and stick to the facts.
lilyloo
5:52 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Mr Kent, You are correct in observing that no one can look into the souls of each and every person bundled into the equation made by Mr Carson
BUT, given so many facts, the anecdotal evidence sure leads me to the conclusion/opinion that there ARE a large # of people so invested in this industry that they mis-lead communities by design both in the content of the information provided via feasibility reports (imagine a feasibility report that never mentions flicker as an issue?)
AND they also mis-lead by providing flawed acoustical testing information and reports, such as HMMH and TEch Environmental have repeatedly done. Their testing protocols were designed? to fudge the numbers, ie unattended 3 day readings in the middle of July upon which they based their firm assurances to a community, now under siege, that there will be NO NOISE PROBLEMS.
These acoustical firms also mis state in their reports the DEP noise regulation as well. These errors or flawed reports have led so many communities to "shoe-horn" in turbines where they clearly should not be, now that there are problems the Mass CEC has come up with a playbook (an agenda) to cloud the real issues and further expose those that are suffering to additional & prolonged stress.
The addition of CBI is further proof of an agenda, not slander, rather good evidence of a strategy as is Mr Carson's view and also confirmed by Sue Hobart's perception in looking back and feeling "handled" by Ms Stacie Smith of CBI
Venture Guy
2:42 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012
On top of all this town boards are led to these unproven very bleeding edge complex machines, by state "advisers" many times who are just waiting to jump to wind energy companies as they know where the gravy train is. Then the town is left to themselves to fight their own citizens and to deal the financial and engineering realities massive industrial machines. Lets not forget that people and animals get harm during and various lawsuits are always waiting in the wings.
Bill Carson
2:46 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012
The public first needs to understand families health and life is being ruined in Falmouth .Infra-sound is a fact of life. For years people made fun of NIMBY's ,Not In My Back Yard .Today NIMBY means Next It May Be You. This problem with wind turbine siting became clear in Falmouth. It's time to vote against any politicians that refuse to accept the mistakes made siting the Falmouth wind turbines.
Second the wind industry had a dirty little secret about gear box failures for years and knew the turbines break down prematurely. The wind industry now has a secondary industry repairing 5 million dollar turbines only a few years old. When confronted about the gear box issues the response is they have switched to a direct drive transmission and refuse to comment.
Massachusetts residents are paying with their health and then paying again to repair the turbines after they were purchased with taxpayer funds.
David KEnt
6:26 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Bill Carson,
Can you point to a study that draws solid, scientific conclusions about the effeict of turbine infrasound on humans? The last time I researched it, infrasound was a POSSIBLE source of discomfort in the neighbors of turbines, but nothing more than that. Has that changed? If so, please direct me to the study.
Bill Carson
7:19 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Infrasound definition today : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound
The Bruce McPherson Infrasound and Low Frequency Noise Study:
http://randacoustics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/The-Bruce-McPherson-ILFN-Study.pdf
http://www.acousticecology.org/wind/winddocs/AEI_WindFarmNoise2012.pdf
AEI Wind Farm Noise 2012: Science and policy overview Document
http://www.slideshare.net/AcousticEcology/aei-wind-farm-noise-2012-science-and-policy-overview
SEE Page 7 of 58 quote:
"Even project planners have, at times, been taken aback by the prominence of turbine sound at neighbor homes. In Falmouth and Vinalhaven, neighbors alarmed by the unexpected noise levels asked key project planners to come to their homes and listen within the first few days of operations; in both cases, their first reaction was surprise. One told a homeowner, “We knew they’d make noise, but I didn’t think they’d be this bad,” and another said with chagrin that the sound models must be wrong"
David KEnt
7:31 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Bill,
I'll check out the other studies you provided (thank you) but you should not reference the McPherson study as being scientifically sound. That was a great little study that indicated that there is a POSSIBILITY of secondary infrasound caused by the shaking of a home. But McPherson studied just a single home and for just 2.5 days or so. It's an intriguing study, but MUCH too small to rely upon for solid science.
I'll check out your other studies next.
David KEnt
8:25 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Bill,
Re: the three infrasound sources that you provided.
1. You already know what I think of McPherson: An intriguing but scientifically unreliable study due to its use of a single home overjust 2 - 3 days. I didn't say before so I'll say now: I've love to see that study replicated more scientifically (more homes, different wind conditions, with turbines off and on, etc.).
2. The Acoustic Energy report. Confirms what I thought was true. There's alot of buzz about infrasound but the studies aren't there to show an effect. I'm not saying there won't be one when better study is done, but for now it's still a possibility.
3. This is the same as #2, right? Page 7 doesn't address infrasound.
So I can't agree with you when you say "Infra-sound is a fact of life". The jury is still out on infrasound. I know a couple of people in Falmouth who describe infrasound's effect on humans as known and very damaging. It's gained alot of traction, but with inadequate basis.
By the way, that guy Jim Cummings seems to be a solid guy. He describes the scientific studies and his observations in what seems a very objective manner and he doesn't go too far when the science is inconclusive.
Bill Carson
8:38 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
To: David Kent , You know I've done my research and if you know anything about throwing a baseball you know you have to keep your eye on the ball . The State of Massachusetts is throwing a fast ball to get 2000 megawatts of wind power by 2020.They don't care if a few fast balls hit the batter in the head ! aka the residents who live around the turbines.
You have the ability to research the noise issues around the Falmouth wind turbines. All these people need is help ,your help and everyone else to help them .All they want is the American Dream .The right to own a home and be happy !
Please take some of your time and look at the situation like you were one of them
Bill Carson
7:57 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
David KEnt, I have read you letters about Cape Wind .I know you are looking for documentation about the wind turbine noise. There is plenty of documentation out there. The residents of Falmouth that live around the wind turbines and their medical conditions speak for themselves. You have also stated that you think the Falmouth turbines should come down. Why don't you use your wisdom and help the Falmouth residents ?
As each new turbine gets installed another group of citizens get hurt !
I was at a public meeting at Barnstable High School last year in which we were told "you have to break a few eggs to make an omellet" The reference to the eggs was the residents around the turbines - If you heard this you would help the residents of Falmouth - Look at the Falmouth turbine issue as if you lived under the blades
David KEnt
8:53 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Bill,
I hate the “is there enough scientific evidence” game with wind turbines. 1st, coming to a solid opinion by reading the studies would take AGES. Then, even if I did that, people like Mark Cool would inundate me with studies that supposedly contradict me. And I definitely don’t have the time to vet all of that. Finally, I’ve talked to a few turbine neighbors and I just plain believe them. I think the science hasn’t caught up to what they’re experiencing.
That doesn’t stop me, however, from skewering people who CLAIM to have solid evidence of the effects of turbine noise when I know they don’t. I just don’t like people speaking beyond their knowledge or contriving stuff.
Why don’t I help the Falmouth residents? I think I do help by writing letters and in my blog at CapeCodToday.com. Sometimes I wonder why I don’t leave my keyboard and attend meetings, etc. Partly, it’s laziness. But there’s another reason: I resist getting too chummy with either side of the wind debate so I can stay objective. For example, I’ve written in favor of Cape Wind so much that I have an open invitation to meet Jim Gordon and others at Cape Wind. I know Mark Rodgers pretty well, but again mostly through cyberspace. Somehow I don’t feel like getting too chummy. If CW happens to write a bad piece of propaganda, I want to feel free to criticize it (and I’ve done that a couple of times).
Enough.
lilyloo
8:49 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
David Kent = mixed messages, he thanks Mr Carson, then immediately puts his energies into refuting the valuable McPherson report issued by board certified acousticians Robert Rand and Stephen Ambrose as not credible. According to Mr Kent, the Mc Pherson report "was a great little study", then Mr Kent points to reasons to marginalize the report by saying it was "a single home for just 2.5 days or so".
Why does a single home not qualify as acceptable evidence for Mr Kent?
A quick critical analysis of Mr Kent's comeback.
Let's say I have a pain in my side, board certified doctors perform a weekend series of tests and observations, the results lead them to believe I have appendicitis, BUT I can not be treated accordingly because in Mr Kent's world the tests performed qualify only as "a great little study", not a basis for solid science and treatment. The tests my board certified physicians ran clearly indicate appendicitis (infrasound) BUT the physicians are criticized as "their study time was too short". There is not enough solid science to act to treat me... the naysayers claim there needs to be more studies, more studies more studies, when is enough enough?
As for me providing proof to you as to the agenda of mis leading...I advise you to read each and every feasibility report and acoustical study for each and every project now causing disruption, suffering and division in communities...ie Fairhaven, Falmouth, Scituate and Kingston...
Bill Carson
9:02 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Mr.Kent did say that he thought the Falmouth wind turbines should come down. I've read some of his posts that refer to the towns inability to give up the monetary part of the turbines and he understands the Falmouth residents are under stress.
I made reference to Mr Kent keeping his eye on the baseball .The state is throwing a fast ball to get 2000 megawatts of renewable energy .They don't care if a few hit the residents in the head .
If you could get someone like David Kent to keep his eye on the ball .I think he could help .Yoy can't keep hurting a select group of citizens who only want the American Dream . The public needs to understand the next time it could be them .
Please help the residents around the turbines stop the torture
David KEnt
9:11 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I send mixed messages LL because this is a complex subject. I refuse to be wedded to one side or the other and then, because I’m a partisan, ALWAYS work for that side. I try to call ‘em as I see ‘em.
Re: the McPherson study you ask: “Why does a single home not qualify as acceptable evidence for Mr Kent?” I respond: It’s evidence but not NEARLY enough to draw a scientific conclusion.
Now hold your horses LL. A doctor diagnosing appendicitis is based on centuries of medical study not a single examination. We’re talking about a VERY different thing here: Establishing new science and, I’m sorry to tell you, that takes more than one house and one weekend. By the way, why are you so eager to believe such a tiny study?
You say: “...I advise you to read each and every feasibility report and acoustical study for each and every project now causing disruption,
How about this: I’ll do that when you do.
Now after all of that, remember: I believe the turbine neighbors based on my conversations with them. I just can't then get behind shallow science and unsubstantiated accusations that support the;m. I'm sorry, I can't.
Now, I notice that you didn’t provide ANY evidence for all of the claims in your previous comment. You know: Playbooks, etc. Can I conclude from that that you can’t back any of those accusations up?
Bill Carson
9:28 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Dave, The Town of Falmouth got one of the turbines Vestas V 82 at very low cost. The Massachusetts Technology Collaborative had been stuck with two politically embarrassing turbines since 2005. They couldn't even sell them at an auction.The MTC was payng $3300.00 a month storage fees in Texas for years.
The General Electric Company refused to site turbines in the same location because of the setbacks to the residents .These are all facts. The MTC paid for the wind studies and the financing . These turbine studies to place the turbines in Falmouth were paid for by the owners of the turbine the semi-quasi state agency Massachusetts Technology Collaborative which soom after changed its name to the MCEC Massachusetts Clean Energy Center .
The Town of Falmouth actually thought they were getting a good deal . These 1.65 MW turbines should never have been sited at this location- Follow the money
http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/blog/mass-high-tech/2008/08/mtc-puts-mothballed-wind-turbines-on-auction.html
Bill Carson
9:39 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
6.1 Visual and Noise Impact
The potential visual and noise impacts of the proposed wind turbine are best considered in the context of where existing dwellings are located in relation to the turbine site. A total of 99 residential properties are located within a half-mile radius of the turbine site. All of these properties lie to the west and south of the site. (See Attachment A for a map of the site).
There are 68 properties located to the west of the turbine site. All 68 properties are located on the west side of Route 28 (Rte. 28). Rte. 28 therefore serves as a barrier between these 68 dwellings and the turbine site. Approximately one third of the 68 dwellings are within 500 feet of Rte. 28, and all are within a quarter mile of Rte. 28. The closest dwellings are approximately 1700 feet due west of the proposed turbine site. Sixty-one of the 68 properties are located on one of the following residential streets: Ridgeview Drive; Ambleside Drive; Westmoreland Drive; and Brantwood Road. Seven properties are located to the east of West Falmouth Highway.
http://www.falmouthmass.us/energy/falmouth%20feasibility%20study_111505.pdf
Bill Carson
9:47 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Above is the 2005 Feasibility Study done for the Town of Falmouth .On page 38 of the report it states all the affected residential homes prior to the installation of the wind turbine .
It's beyond me why no one has ever brought up the original study which actually names the property locations .The report even says " potential for visual and noise"
Guess what it did have the potential and involves 99 residential homes -that need compensation !
lilyloo
10:12 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Mr Carson,
I extend compassion to you in feeling the need to provide the evidence folks like Mr Kent keep insisting on...it must be exhausting.
It is interesting that the feasibility reports paid for by us, Mass electric rate payers, since 2005 have (by design? by agenda perhaps?) have not gone into the detail as your 2005 example...why did the specifics and details get edited out of future feasibility reports?
As for Mr Kent and his response to my medical analogy he says:
Now hold your horses LL. A doctor diagnosing appendicitis is based on centuries of medical study not a single examination.
Question: Diagnosing my appendicitis should include centuries old medical study? Yikes, and no thanks!
the notion that current tests and education should be tempered by "centuries" of thought is counter-intuitive. Should we give leeching a serious seat at the table prior to treating my appendicitis? As my grandfather says, the good old days (medically speaking), they weren't so good.
Sorry, Mr Kent you lose me on this, and you, in doing so extend the pain and frustration of those suffering in real time.
Mr Carson, thank you for your article...Merry Christmas!
Bill Carson
10:28 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I understand Mr Kent . In court you need test results . The test is what determines who is right or wrong . The residents around the turbines were there first ( stakeholders) .The turbines came second and there is lots of documentation in Europe,Canada and the US about turbine noise.
The peer review process is going on as we speak. It's only a matter of time before the Falmouth residents get justification.
The peer review process subjects scientific research papers to independent scrutiny by other qualified scientific experts (peers) before they are made public.
It may come down to a legal battle in court -mediation doesn't look good after 22 meetings - Happy New Year
David KEnt
10:32 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
lilyloo,
That little organ called an appendix was discovered centuries ago. Appendicitis has been known for centuries. Students in medical school have studied it for centuries. So, your doctor is NOT engaging in the development of new science when he examines you and diagnoses appendicitis. Rather, he's using science developed over the centuries.
Now, if this were 1650 and appendicitis were not known, then it would take more than one office visit to diagnose your pain. New scientific knowledge would have to be developed.
Now, if you want to play ignorant, have at it. But back in the real world, there isn't a scientist in the world who would make believe that he/she can draw a conclusion as to new science by examining a single home for a single weekend. And all of the ignorant foot stomping in the world by you won't change that.
McPherson's is an interesting study that should be redone by a larger study that CAN be used to draw new scientific conclusions. But that's it.
Bill Carson
8:12 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Merry Christmas? Commercial Wind II turbine on December 24,2012 was operating out of control when the abutters had been promised a holiday ! It appears that nothing has changed since the first day Wind I was put into operation.
Falmouth Wind ll has had an operational problem again. The town had to manually shut down the Wind II turbine after complaints from nearby residents. What is the town's commitment not to subject nearby residents to the debilitating effects of the noise from Falmouth's wind turbines during night time hours ?
There have been 22 mediation meetings and more planned starting January 8 and 9 of 2013 this is not the first time wind turbine operational errors have occurred. This does not improve relationships and effective communication among the Town officials, affected families.
David KEnt
9:01 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Bill, some questions:
During what days and what hours had the town promised to turn the turbines off for Christmas? I can't find anything on this.
What do “out of control” and “manually shut down” mean in this context? Had the turbine been shut down as promised but it begin operating by itself? Can the turbines normally be shut off remotely but in this case someone had go out there?
What is your source for this information?
Bill Carson
9:09 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
There are multiple emails between the Town of Falmouth and the residents. The emails refer to the town working with the wind turbine company and having to do a manual shut down in order to comply with the shut down.
You know as well as me that the town has Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition terminals to control the wind turbines.
Bill Carson
9:39 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Those opposed to the Falmouth wind turbines have at least one reason to be grateful this week: The selectmen voted to shut off the two town-owned turbines on Thanksgiving.
The 1.65-megawatt turbines at the wastewater treatment plant on Blacksmith Shop Road — known as Wind 1 and Wind 2 — also will shut down on Christmas.
"I applaud the selectmen for doing that," said Malcolm Donald, a turbine abutter and outspoken opponent. "We're going to be thankful for it."
November 21, 2012 12:00 AM
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121121/NEWS/211210348
Bill Carson
9:40 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Those opposed to the Falmouth wind turbines have at least one reason to be grateful this week: The selectmen voted to shut off the two town-owned turbines on Thanksgiving.
The 1.65-megawatt turbines at the wastewater treatment plant on Blacksmith Shop Road — known as Wind 1 and Wind 2 — also will shut down on Christmas.
"I applaud the selectmen for doing that," said Malcolm Donald, a turbine abutter and outspoken opponent. "We're going to be thankful for it."
November 21, 2012 12:00 AM
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121121/NEWS/211210348
David KEnt
10:02 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
I have a general question about the CBI process which has confused me from the beginning:
How can you eliminate suffering via consensus?
I mean, either you’re suffering from the effects of the turbines or you’re not. I suppose that you could reduce suffering by turning the turbines off part of the time. But that just results in suffering for fewer hours each day or week, right? And it would seem to me to be very odd outcome to agree to something like this:
“OK, today I’m suffering 60 hours per week. Per the changes produced by the CBI process, I agree to suffer only 20 hours per week”.
What am I missing?
Bill Carson
10:20 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
There is plenty of documentation on the use of infrasound by the military to control crowds. The infrasound experiments have been ongoing by the military for years.
The residents who live around the wind turbines describe the noise as the sound of a pair of sneakers in a dryer 24/7 or when you open the back window of a car a little when all the others are shut and some others get sick at home then get better when they stay away from their homes. Many can tell when the wind turbine operates at night when the turbine goes on accidently.Many of these people lose sleep all the time.
Now your stuck in your house and nobody will buy it because of the turbine noise.Your whole life investment is your home. If you were being tortured 24/7 wouldn't you be glad for a few hours of relief ?
lilyloo
10:42 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
A Christmas epiphany for Mr Kent!
What you have been missing, in my view is compassion toward the "situation".
Compassion is always shown by a willingness to "listen"; listening to hear, that is, rather than listening to speak.
Listening to speak is exemplified, here in this thread, in the form of insults and marginalization ...via comments such as "ignorant foot stomping".
Negotiating the parameters of adverse impacts happening in real time to the citizens of our state, residents who have been forced to endure the assault on their properties and their health should not be part of the equation (agenda).
A Christmas gift idea, please start listening to hear, and perhaps consider to
stop questioning and/or denying the most important and relevant FACT or clouding it with peripheral questions that take us all down "conversational alleyways", alleyways that sidetrack the focus away from the most important truth!
A TRUTH that is indisputable: families are suffering as a result of industrial wind turbines that have been sited too close to where they live.
Merry Christmas and PEACE ON EARTH...
David KEnt
11:33 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
LL,
I can’t expect you to know my overall opinion of the Falmouth turbine situation so let me state it: I believe the neighbors. I believe the turbines have to go.
That does not mean, however, that I accept anything said by turbine opponents. For instance, I will not accept that a 1 house 1 weekend study can be interpreted to mean that infrasound affects turbine neighbors. I know that the “ignorant foot stomping” thing was a bit rough. I considered removing it. But I kept it because, frankly, that’s what you were doing. IMO, you deserved it.
As to my “listening to hear”: I have spent 7 years defending Cape Wind in letters to the editor and in a blog on CapeCodToday.com. Mainly, I’ve devoted my energies to debunking the unending list of manufactured criticisms from the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound. So, when I came to the Falmouth turbine debate a couple of years ago I came with bias against the turbine neighbors: I presumed that they were just as untrustworthy as the Alliance. But then I had the opportunity to speak personally with 3 of the neighbors and I changed my mind. I listened, heard and changed my mind.
But that does not mean that I will accept everything the neighbors and their supporters say regardless of its truth.
Bill Carson
11:50 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Dave, If you think the turbines have to go then you have to believe that the Town of Falmouth is placing money before the health of the residents . This turbine issue is tearing the town apart. You have one end of town against the other over money vs peoples health . You can't get this many people to tell the same story for years on end ! Now in other towns like Scituate , Fairhaven , Kingston we're hearing the same story about wind turbine sickness over and over again .
You can't have hundreds and thousands of people here and world wide telling the same story about wind turbine illness. The story never changes ! If it walks like a duck it is a duck ! If the turbines make people sick the turbines make people sick !
Check out the trailer for movie Windfall on the url below
http://firstrunfeatures.com/trailers_windfall.html
David KEnt
12:04 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Yes, I suspect that numerous Town Meeting members put the town’s budget over the suffering of some of its town’s citizens. What I suspect is more important, however, is that many Town Members just don’t believe the neighbors. They think that they’re making mountains out of mole hills and/or that some of them are just plain crazy.
Actually, I bet that many Town Meeting Members combine those sentiments: They may want to believe the neighbors but they’re loathe to put a huge hole in the town budget. That is, if the budget hole went away they’d accept the words of the neighbors.
Hey do you know: Are town officials working to get rid of or to lessen the financial impact on the town? I have no idea if that’s possible (grant forgiveness, state help given that it greased the wheels of this debacle, etc.). But I think if that happened, we’d see a sudden attitude change in Town Meeting.
But yes, if that’s right than you’re right too: The Town is placing money before health.
Bill Carson
12:18 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Number 1 the town is placing money before health .I'm glad you agree. Now the mediation has gone on for 22 meetings and looks to keep going until Jan 8&9.
It looks like the mediation may be going in favor of the residents . The turbines will at least fall under the 12-12-24 formula. Only operate from 7AM until 7PM in each 24 hour day. This at least so the neighbors can sleep . The turbines will be off from 7 PM to 7 AM .
What do you think of the turbine accidently or what ever happened running breaking a promise to the neighbors to the wind turbine on Dec 24 ?
There seems to be some disagreement between local town officials about giving these people a break during the holidays . Do you think there are opposing forces within the town government -one of which may want to put an end to the mediation ?
In other words there are people in town government that don't even want the 12-12-24 formula and won't give one inch ?
Bill Carson
12:57 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Governor Patrick who used the email pseudonym "Sally Reynolds" has some problems with the Falmouth wind turbines. Here's a quote by Gov Patrick: "If you want to see the future, come to Falmouth."
The Massachusetts Technology Collaborative (MTC) was stuck with two Vestas V 82 commercial wind turbines in 2005 at $3500.00 per monthstorage fees in a warehouse in Texas. The MTC was state's semi quasi economic development agency for renewable energy. It's now the Massachusetts Clean Energy Center. So you have the MCEC the semi quasi state agency that sold the turbines to Falmouth involved with the mediation process.
mark cool
3:27 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Hi & Merry Christmas to All. A few comments after reading the discussion.
1. Cape Wind: The dominant anti theme isn’t strongly tied to it being an eye sore. I believe those most opposed are contentious due to the impractical cost per kilowatt. The vast majority or rate payers effected can’t afford the financial cost. This point isn’t concerning to those raising the stink about viewshed. These folks have the $ to pay the extra price point, but that demographic is the tiny minority. It may be perceived as being dominate, after all, money can buy any accurate or inaccurate argument. Then, there is a portion opposed that believe CW places the flying public at risk. Dave mentioned that he just doesn’t like people speaking beyond their knowledge or contriving stuff. I won’t expound on my personal experience (as an air traffic controller) other than to share a similar case struck down by the court because of aviation safety - Clark County Nevada v. Federal Aviation Administration. ( http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20121205%2FOPINION%2F212050332 )
2. Dave Kent’s question about the CBI process: This question underpins the essence of the fundamental problem. Dave .. you’re not missing anything. Any consensus to be achieved will involve an acceptable level of tolerance (stakeholder compromise).
David KEnt
3:56 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Mark,
I don’t want to get too much into Cape Wind but:
The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound was founded by wealthy beachfront owners to protect their view LONG before rates were even discussed. Cost has become a useful tool for the Alliance. Having said that, yes, the cost issue has increased the opposition to Cape Wind. But…
…Cape Wind will increase rates for the average power user less than the cost of a cup of coffee per month ($1.25/month; $15/yr). People can afford it.
Obviously I don’t have air traffic experience. So, I must rely upon the FAA in that area. And it says Cape Wind is safe. By the way, if the FAA had said that Cape Wind was unsafe I’d have accepted that and said good bye to CW. Compare that to what the Alliance does every time a judgment goes against it: Suddenly the agency is incompetent.
mark cool
3:28 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
2. (cont) The concerning ‘basic’ issue I have is whether it should be permissible for our government to require a minority of neighbors to involuntarily tolerate a lower base-line standard of health and well being. The CBI process may have been effective if the process had been convened with the understanding that this premise of placing residents health at risk is NOT acceptable. The CBI group wouldn’t have wasted each meeting as adversaries. They may have been provided the opportunity for many more moments of partnership, working toward goal solutions having the primary directive of preventing harm/discomfort/nuisance upon neighbors.
mark cool
4:31 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
3. Compliance or not: Starting with the 2005 Feasibility Study before the erection of the turbine(s), then the 2010 town sponsored HMMH sound analysis and most recently the 2012 DEP noise testing (night and day)... all offered instances of none-compliance using model predictions and attended testing with present DEP noise guidelines. Couple this trend of risk with the June 30 2011 letter from the Mass DEP to the Falmouth Selectmen & Health Agent, in which the agency admits their suspicion that current noise guidelines and evaluation protocol does not adequately mitigate or investigate noise emitted from industrial wind turbines. Further, the letter states that the agency was, at that time, in the process of modifying regulatory guidance as well as protocol involving IWT’s. Laurel Carson (DEP) stated at a Nov. CBI meeting that this modification process was still being conducted, but with no ‘release’ date available (at that time). Dave is correct in that the McPherson study doesn’t allow firm conclusions to be drawn from such a small sampling. Similarly, the attended tests performed by DEP night/day noise evaluation, can be regarded in that same dim light of quantifiability. However, the difference is that DEP results demonstrated instances of none-compliance.
mark cool
4:31 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
3. (cont) The McPherson study results don’t have the same advantage since infrasound is not a regulatory criteria. Yet, infrasound dose is alleged as being the culprit in many of the anecdotal testimonials world wide. It’s odd, if infrasound should be the true culprit and, if further unimpeded WT development is to be realized, that a more prudent and pointed health focus wouldn’t be sought?? The CBI group will suggest to selectmen that more DEP noise testing be conducted to define more accurately those properties likely effected and requiring some means of compensation. Effected properties meaning effected in terms of admittedly antiquated noise guidance. I will again (for the millionth time), since the dynamic of WT effect concerns human health, suggest that the problem must be examined in terms of health effect, rather than the ineffective examination in terms of acoustics and noise modeling. It WILL be costly. $$ is the great obstacle in Falmouth. Yet, a plethora of unanswered health questions remain unresolved. As a result, the fundamental tenant of COMMUNITY should be firstly.. in compliance to doing no harm.
mark cool
5:11 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Dave - In the case I cited, the FAA said that the Wind Farm, 10 miles from Las Vegas overflow airport, was safe. It was found that the expert advise from the FAA was terribly flawed. The agency, mandated by their prime directive, to maintain aviation safety, was found to have compromised aviation safety. (air surveillance radar degradation due to Wind Farm proximity) If the majority of variables surrounding both siting projects are examined, the CW and FAA vs Clark Co NV cases share 85% parity. Yet, the FAA has determined (twice) that the CW project will not be a hazard to aviation. Logic would lend a great deal of suspicion toward this FAA decision. I won't argue for or against the conspiracy theorist, but I will note that the Federal Administration's position has placed vast effort and expense toward implementation of renewable energy sources (wind is just one of those sources). Why should the CW project be differnet that Clark Co NV? Dick Cheney allowed the ~Haliburtan Loop-Hole~ in gas fraking development as a sitting Vice President, so I can't in good conscience, as an air traffic controller, not vigorously oppose the FAA determination. As for my suggest for the public, it wouldn't be prudent to atleast question the alleged experts.
David KEnt
6:24 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Mark,
The Nevada airport in question was called Ivanpah airport. Did you know that, at the time that the FAA decision was vacated, that airport did not exist? It was just proposed? And did you know that its construction was subsequently placed on hold and that it does not exist today? Then I have to wonder why you would say that this situation is so similar to Cape Wind. First, these turbines are on-shore not off-shore. Next the turbines appear to over 2,000 higher in elevation than the proposed airport. Atmospheric and weather conditions must be completely different from those around Cape Wind (the Nevada site is the high desert). What is your source for the 85% parity thing?
I don’t know Mark. I can’t back this up with evidence – and everyone knows how much of a stickler I am for evidence – but this one feels like a reach on your part. Of course, I can’t match your professional experience in air safety. But turbines in the high desert 2,000 feet above an airport seems a VERY different situation from what we have here.
But please tell me what you base that 85% parity thing on.
Bill Carson
6:42 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Mark and Dave , I went to the Consensus Building Institute web site : http://cbuilding.org/
The first thing on the lower right is a story about climate change and on the left a note about Energy, Environment and Land Use Commercial Agreements. No references to residential anything on the front page.
At the top of the page there is a search engine for their web site. When doing a search about wind turbines, environment or mediation as keywords lots of information comes up to review.
When you put in "residential home owner" as a key word it comes back as : Your search yielded no results.
I though it odd that the key words "residential home owner" doesn't work in their keyword search after all the years they have been in business. This leads me to wonder where the weight on a scale balances the ability for mediation between residential home owners and commercial environmental contractors.
Blowin Smoke
10:58 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Carson's letter, like many of the comments, is brimming with fiction and distortions. For infrasound, the science is clear, it's a non-issue. For example, see this peer reviewed paper: http://www.acoustics.asn.au/journal/2012/2012_40_1_Turnbull.pdf
And why are we talking about FAA and air safety? Noise & health stuff has been debunked, so anti-wind fanatics resort to increasingly weird and obscure accusations (such as Carson's odd obsession with gearboxes) - that's why.
Meanwhile carbon emissions keep growing, and the impacts of climate change are all too clear. This article in New Scientist, by a professor of public health, cuts thru the BS - http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628850.200-the-sickening-truth-about-wind-farm-syndrome.html
mark cool
5:35 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Simon Chapman is another zealot using baseless science and endless rant. I wish Blowin would stop citing this debunked source of info. Blowin seems fanatical about a climate change doomsday. Climate change is valid and is perceived to be a risk to public health. The real issue, however, that Blowin (Climate Action team, Energy Committee and WTOP members) doesn't grasp is that the Falmouth wind turbines provide a threat to public health which is completely separate from, although related to, issues of climate change. Falmouth's adverse health impact issue must be fixed. Falmouth would best be served by solving the local health problem separately and independently from trying to solve the global health problem perceived to be caused by climate change.
The link has been demonstrate between wind turbines and illness. Denying this is cause for concern for the neigh-sayer. Especially when a commenter uses a phrase like "the science is clear that........." but then fails to back it up with CONCLUSIVE evidence.
I’ve not had any use for comments from Blowin. I’d prefer to deal with inquisitive health professionals and BoH members who are trying to understand what the word "health" really means. That answer will not be found by wasting more money on dBA versus ambient background sound testing. The Mass Expert Panel, in their report, said more research was necessary. Health research seems a logical area to start.
Bill Carson
7:41 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
1.Infrasound is a powerful, ultra-low frequency acoustic wave.Many recent studies say it can induce a range of symptoms, from nausea, headaches and vomiting, to the rupturing of internal organs and even death.
2. The FAA because commercial wind turbines and their blades create a clutter on Doppler Radar where air traffic controllers have trouble seeing airplanes as they approach nearby airports.http://www.crh.noaa.gov/mkx/?n=windfarm
3. The wind industry is hiding a dirty little secret about gear box failures .In fact starting this year most reputable companies use direct drive transmissions The news media has failed to report the alarming rate of failures in wind turbines. One right here at Otis ANG base in a 2009 turbine.
4.It would take 1000 commercial wind turbines to replace the Brayton Point power plant at 5 million dollars each. Note# if the wind is not blowing where do you get the power ?
digger
10:04 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Bringing simon chapman into this requires a does of disinfectant.
In a letter written by Dr Sarah Laurie, she asks mr chapman this question:
"Professor Leventhall, your co -reviewer, has publicly stated in expert testimony
given in court in Ontario and also in the NHMRC workshop which you and I
both attended in June 2011, that he has known about the symptoms of low frequency noise exposure or “wind turbine syndrome” for some time, and it
is clear from his literature review from 2003 that this statement is correct.
On what grounds, as a sociologist, rather than an acoustician or a medical practitioner, do you disagree with Leventhall’s expert testimony in the Suncor case in Ontario, confirming the existence of this pattern of symptoms, which he clearly attributes to being caused by exposure to low frequency noise?"
Does blowin smoke not know the reputation this man has in Australia?
Let me share comments from an article critiquing mr chapman and his theories and his hateful approach with victims who are suffering...read comments here: Professor Carl V Phillips savaged simon chapman in a piece entitled “How can you tell Simon Chapman is mucking about over his head?” Master Chapman’s end of term report does not look good. Epidemiology- fail, maths – fail, science – fail, economics – fail, and now history- fail. Must try harder, even in the remedial class. &
He’s a tyrant, using health care issues as a guise to destroy everything he does not like.
Blowin Smoke
10:58 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Since Digger mentions the testimony of Professor Leventhall, it's worth taking a look at that. Leventhall is former President of the UK Institute of Acoustics, and a recognized expert in wind turbine acoustics. Read his court testimony at -
http://cascadecommunitywind.com/wp-content/media/Testimony-of-Dr-Geoff-Leventhall-refuting-Wind-Turbine-Syndrome-Oct-2009.pdf
" Based on my experience of infrasound and low frequency noise, it is my belief
that the infrasound from wind turbines is of no consequence. Attempts to claim
that illnesses result from inaudible wind turbine noise do not stand up to simple
analyses of the very low forces and pressures produced by the sound from wind
turbines. Additionally, the body is full of sound and vibration at infrasonic and low
frequencies, originating in natural body processes. As an example, the beating
heart is an obvious source of infrasound within the body. Other sources of
background low frequency noise and vibration are blood flows, muscle vibrations,
breathing, fluids in the gut and so on. The result is that any effect from wind
turbine noise, or any other low level of noise, which might be produced within the
body is “lost” in the existing background noise and vibration."
David KEnt
11:44 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
You're right again Blowin: There is FAR from scientific agreement that turbine infrasound can affect turbine neighbors.
This infrasound thing has taken on a life of its own in some Falmouth quarters. I have a friend who is OBSESSED with turbine opposition and he takes it as an article of faith that infrasound does cause suffering in Falmouth. The best he can do when I ask him for evidence of that is bluster, change the subject or mention the one house/one weekend McPherson study.
Infrasound MAY cause suffering in Falmouth. But anybody who says that confidently is indulging in wishful thinking.
Sorry Lily, this one is a red herring.
mark cool
1:27 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Dave your ~wondering why~ observation has to be confined to radar impact analysis. Air traffic radar effectiveness is impacted, to varying degrees, by variables of implementation over water or land (roughness), elevation, weather and topography (to name a few). The source making the 85% observation in the case similarities was a FAA site testing employee in the summer 2010. He was part of a radar analysis team sent by the FAA Eastern Service Area Office to conduct radar signal strength return testing in the Cape Approach airspace. While not the official FAA response, he (the site lead) was of the opinion that the testing results (so far during our conversation) borne out the fact that wind turbines do impact RADAR. The case in Clark Co. NV was mentioned by this gentleman for comparison, and the percentage he cited was in terms of similarities he himself had drawn. The results from the playback tests indicated that the radar reflections of the simulated wind turbines did not meet acceptable level of coverage. Mind you, this view was stated by FAA Technical Operations personnel.
In spite of seemingly reaffirming, from this CW/radar strength test, that radar interference to Air Traffic Control exists, the FAA still issued a No Hazard Determination. And shortly after the Department of Interior issued its approval for Cape Wind.
David KEnt
6:54 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
Well, every organization that I've ever worked in contained "experts" that differed widely on issues related to that organization's business. This is the nature of any organization of significant size.
Now, I don't mean to discount completely what that person said to you. But I don't think that we can be in the business of making policy decisions based upon the opinions of single individuals.
What do you think of the FAA generally? Can it generally be depended upon? If not, I'll be at a loss as to how our country should make policy decisions such as that involving Cape Wind because - as a country - we can't rely upon opinions of individuals.
Bill Carson
9:40 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
The problem is the federal and state agencies don't update the regulations as the turbines became larger and larger.
The wind development in Massachusetts indicates that poor siting has caused health issues as one of the most significant barriers to wind projects. Many years ago the state came up with a bogus Model By-Law which many cities and towns took as gospel. Today numerous towns are attempting to change their by-laws to stop wind development.
The original Model By-Law was prepared for cities and towns to establish reasonable standards for wind. The model was written with the thoughts of turbines in the 660 kilowatt range for example the Vestas V47.
At some point in time these towns will understand they made fatal error with the poor placement and the size of the turbines.The 1.5 megawatt turbines and above (Falmouth 1.65 MW) are three times what the original bylaws were designed .
The residents around these commercial megawatt turbines have a significant case against the turbines.
Bill Carson
9:03 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Waubra Disease,Vibro- Acoustic Disease in Falmouth ? Yes ,these are the names given to wind turbine syndrome disease in other countries long before the installation of the Falmouth megawatt turbine. Today the state through whatever means possible is trying to "educate" the residents in several Massachusetts towns that after years of serious sleep deprivation, balance disorders and a whole host of maladies it's not real.
Falmouth is being turned into an industrial commercial wind turbine zone in which the town has voted to sacrifice the health of a few for the greater good of the whole. The turbine has become the plague.
The Falmouth wind turbine has become the ‘forbidden fruit’ of renewable energy. The town voted to destroy the quiet and peaceful life of a few residents for the greater good. Falmouth has become a boutique hosting company for industrial wind ...
Bill Carson
10:05 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Falmouth Select Board owes apology to wind turbine victims ? When the Select Board appoints an official to a town position any statements made by the appointee are the statements of the local government. Falmouth government is made up of dozens of officials who are either elected or appointed.
Recently a local official was quoted in a local newspaper.The reference was about residents living around the commercial wind turbines does the Select Board echo the same remarks ? Apology Yes or No ?
The remarks:
“If it’s so annoying, why does it take five hours for people to notice it’s on,”and “I think it was hysteria by power of suggestion,”
The new story :
http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2012/12/29/time-controller-malfunctions-on-wind-2/
lilyloo
10:21 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Bill,
Unfortunately, as part of the "agenda" or "playbook" that has been scripted over the course of the last 2 years (In Falmouth) and the last year (In Scituate, Fairhaven and Kingston) the talking point is in large part "NOCEBO"...these residents in all these communities are not really suffering they are simply falling victim to "hysteria by suggestion". This disgraceful explanation has been presented as the most likely scenario and/or defense at both the Kingston and Scituate Board of Health meetings by the wind developers when asked to explain why the abutters are filing "complaints" due to excessive noise and flicker.
Blame the "victims"...Marginalize the "victims"...deny, obfuscate, belittle...Do anything but facing facts and reality...this Falmouth employee has been given the "playbook" and is all in...
His dismissiveness of Falmouth resident's concerns and experiences is shameful.
He should be reprimanded for violating the code of conduct most towns do have on their books...that is the welfare of residents in the town they are employed by is the ultimate priority. Welfare is not attained by allowing any amount of suffering to continue...clearly this guy is "bothered" that residents are "bothered"...
Bill Carson
10:48 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
The point is you've got the Falmouth Wastewater Superintendent who is an appointed official making statements about the hysteria of the wind turbine victums around the wind turbines. The official is appointed by the Select Board. Any statements made by an appointed official is also the word of the Select Board .This is a municipal official making statements about residents of the town.
You have to question now did the town run the turbine to get back at the residents and ruin the WTOP mediation process or have some appointed officials made their own decisions on how the town should be run ?
The Select Board or the Town Manager needs to step up to the plate and tell the public who isin charge of the town them or the appointed officials !!!!
lilyloo
11:00 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Given the wastewater superintendent's comments, it would be a logical guess that he is dismissive of the residents who are impacted...it appears he sees them as "the problem" as opposed to the reality that they are merely a "reflection of the problems" that have surfaced due to the siting of industrial wind turbines too close to residents' homes.
Here is an excerpt from the Professional Code of Conduct for the town of Kingston...as a reference:
The “Professional Conduct Policy” details the demeanor town officials should exhibit : “Town employees are expected to act honestly, conscientiously, reasonably and in good faith at all times having regard to their responsibilities; the interests of the Town of Kingston and the welfare of its residents.”
Bill Carson
11:06 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Have there been other comments to the press about the wind turbine victums in the past ? Do you think the officials are following a Well-Worn Media Script ?
In the past these officials when called on the carpet always blame the newspaper and say it was a mistake by the news reporting agency .
Do you think the Select Board should apologize or do you think they'll hunker down ?
David KEnt
8:53 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
It is Mr. Potamis’ right to believe that in turbine hysteria. But it’s outrageous that, as a public official, he said that out loud. He should be taken to the woodshed over this. This guy is, however, not a policy maker so let’s not get our panties too much in a knot.
I was dismayed to find this language from Mark Cool in the article provided by Bill:
“Mr. Suso, I believe the neighbors don’t want any further apologies! Your time would be better spent fixing the immediate problem. Use your managerial skills, and in the event of similar future circumstance, USE the “OFF” switch,”
Question: Has the automatic switch ever failed before? Presuming that it hasn’t:
Who among us wouldn’t rely upon an automatic switch that has functioned without failure in the past? If Mr. Cool had been in charge on the night in question, would he have manually shut the turbine down if the automatic mechanism had worked repeatedly in the past?
I know that the neighbors are frustrated, but they MUST do their best to reign in intemperate words like Mr. Cool’s. 1st, they make the neighbors look petty and childish to Town Meeting members who will decide their fate. This is terrible public relations. 2nd, they insult reasonable members of Town Hall. Town Manager Susa seems an eminently reasonable person. But he’s human, and insulting him will not help the neighbors’ cause: It will hurt it!
mark cool
9:24 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Dave ~ If you were up to speed on the number of times the turbines have operated out of night time curtailment compliance, I believe you'd retract your comment. I content that my words illustrate the point (made by many other on a variety of issues) that our government leaders are often inept and unable to grasp the community's values. My comment isn't to insult Mr. Suso. Rather, it's meant to be instructional. After all, he does work for us and, as Falmouth's head policy enforcer, it's simply a matter of performing his job. ~~ A response to your question about what I think of the FAA generally, is better saved for when I retire. I will say, however, more often than not, policy decisions are driven by a valued agenda target. During the policy's vetting, pro's and con's are weighed. Policy decisions are often made to optimize capitalization of the agenda target. And, in so doing, knowingly compromise the issue adding a degree of risk to the decision. The decision is made based upon projected risk % analysis. Decision markers willing choose to "hedge their bet", and know that "IF" a risk item is realized, policy modification will then be implemented. In terms of the Falmouth's wind energy debacle... town hall (amongst others) have tried to, and are seemingly happy with mitigative steps taken to water-down the travesty, but remain blind to the fact that the tragedy continues daily (in ALL target areas ~ health, municipal budget, and climate action)
Bill Carson
9:28 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Dave ,You know the town has a SCADA (supervisory control and data acquisition) system . The system usually has at least three locations to shut down the turbine. The turbine ,the fire station and town hall . No excuse not to shut it down !
My bet is the town will say their spokesperson was misquoted by the news media.
The turbines being shut off and on are starting to look like an experiment to see if the residents will complain when the turbines are" accidentlly " turned on!
During World War II Unit 731 in Japan conducted medical experiments. At what point are elected officials guilty of experimentation? This has gone too far !
David KEnt
9:54 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Your comments to Suso most assuredly were an insult Mark. Perhaps there’s more to this issue of turning off the turbines, but I know an insult when I see one and you insulted Suso. And if you insulted me and then said you were being “instructional” you’d have multiplied the effect.
You should consider your words carefully Mark. If you consciously decide to use aggressive, even insulting words because you think that they will be the most effective, then that’s your call. I’m just here to tell you that outsiders – typical Falmouth citizens, probably average Town Meeting members – will likely react as I am reacting to such words. And if that's true, you are not helping your cause by using them.
lilyloo
9:28 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
"It is Mr Potamis' right to believe in turbine hysteria" (Mr. Kent)
Question: It is his right to be ignorant of the real experiences of others, when the welfare of the residents he his employed by is part of his job via any code of ethics?
All the evidence in Falmouth does NOT point to "hysteria", though it does involve a great deal of emotion. When bad things happen to good people it is not the people's actions you should be judging Mr Kent, out of compassion I would cut Mr Cool a great deal of slack for his "comments". One can only be put through so much bureaucratic nonsense, in the face of suffering, until the words of others (Mr. Potamis) who are not forced to deal with the same set of impacts, begin to have a little bite of sarcasm to them. So on that note, it would be compassionate not to lecture ie "I know the neighbors are frustrated, but they MUST do their best to reign in intemperate words" OR "let's not get our panties too much in a knot"
Sorry Mr Kent, as is your insistence you, though not a resident under stress from these turbines, feel insistent upon being dismissive, disingenuous and lecturing of those who, in my opinion, need total support for their situation.
Mr. Kent, Mr Cool is not only human he is a person who has passionately described the life altering experiences of he and his neighbors... so honestly, Mr. Kent I take your lecturing of and insults toward Mr. Cool as not cool at all! Have a little compassion for a change of pace!?!
David KEnt
10:04 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Calm down LilyLoo. If you can’t engage in rational discussion then let’s just agree not to talk.
Don’t forget, as you apparently always do, that I support the neighbors. That does NOT mean, however, that I agree with everything they do and say. I happen to believe that Mark Cool hurts his case when he speaks intemperately. As I have said, I understand that frustration and suffering drives that. But the fact that I can’t flip a switch at my house and join him in his suffering does not make my opinions automatically worthless, as you appear to believe.
I don’t see any currency in insulting Town Manager Suso. Sorry, I just don’t.
lilyloo
10:26 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Psych 101: When people tell others "to calm down" It is meant to be offensive because what they are really saying is "This issue, that you choose to speak on, isn't really all that important and you're being silly in your analysis."
For the record, this approach is totally disregarding of one's feelings and is meant only to disqualify the thoughts and observations of those being told to "calm down"
Pardon me, but I thought my "discussion" eminently rational...
Personally, I don't see any currency in a blatant ans persistent passive-aggressive approach to discussing this topic...perfect example "I support the neighbors, BUT..."
OR, "I understand that frustration and suffering drives that BUT" seems I am rational after all if you do understand my meaning...mixed messages continue...not productive at all.
I am sorry for the folks in Falmouth that have to deal with this psychological technique...very frustrating, and most intemperate!
David KEnt
12:45 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
So what you’re saying, Lily, is that since I support the neighbors I must agree with everything they say and do. Sorry Lily, I’m not that simple minded. It’s a free country: If you choose to conduct yourself that way, have at it. And I will will be freeo to criticize you for it.
lilyloo
2:22 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Yikes, Mr. Kent, I am sayyyying that if you support the neighbors, as you claim (between admonishing and challenging them) then perhaps you could be a tad more compassionate and a bit less harsh with your need to criticize...I DID NOT SAY you must agree with anybody at all times and on all points...you keep putting words, and intent, that is not there in everybody's mouth.
David KEnt
7:02 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
When I agree with the neighbors I say so. When I disagree with them I say so. As to compassion, I started as a turbine supporter until I talked to some of the neighbors and understood their suffering. That changed my mind.
Now, exactly what bone do you have to pick with that Lily?
mark cool
10:55 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Happy New Year. Let's not forget what this is about. First ~ exchanging ideas and opinion. Second, I don't think I've been insulted by Mr. Kent (or anyone having a difference of opinion) in the least. I listen to arguments, throw them up against my convictions, and hopefully (because of the exchange) I'm better off for it.
I would note Dave, speaking intemperately is sometimes necessary when essential change is necessary. It's been the foundation of history you and I share as US citizens. The person that conceptualized Cape Wind (becoming many voices) spoke intemperately. And now it's taken root, though having flaws but this isn't my point. Frustration and suffering do indeed drive change. In our system of government, policy change is dictated by vast amounts of time and tends to placate to $$$. Most average Joes out there, with a cause, has at his/her disposal only the impassioned value placed on the matter. I'm a man of moderate means. Beyond the dollar cost, the moral decency of this particular matter needs to be repeatedly revisited. Ethics, all to often, is lost to our good politicians trying to make our American dream in the decisions they make. Some of us (you & I for instance) take up the banner to herald the need for change. As I began this comment, the lesson is not to judge the way in which an opinion is presented or the way in which a point is made. Rather, it's the message, not the messenger ~ his/her tact, that deserves consideration.
David KEnt
1:23 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
All I can say, Mark, is that if I were the Town Manager and you said what you said to Suso to me, I'd be insulted. And that would hurt your cause.
Bill Carson
4:02 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Dave ,My understanding is the Town Manager will not respond to the neighbors around the wind turbines about how the turbine was operated the night before Christmas. That's an insult to the residential property owners ! This has happened before!
The Wastewater Treatment Superintendent made statements about hysteria !
The Superintendent was appointed by the Select Board and he took an oath ! The Select Board knows the record here and shares the blame in the name calling in the newspaper article.
Now I understand the Wastewater Treatment Superintendent has gone another step further and has been emailing many of the residents around the wind turbine !
Who has designated the Wastewater Treatment Superintendent as the town spokes person ? The Select Board is responsible for what is going on they appointed the person and they share the blame ....
Falmouth Neighbor
10:44 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Mr. Carson: Mr. Potamis was not appointed by the BoS but hired by the DPW director. He is an employee of the Town and reports directly to the DPW Director. He is also a resident, taxpayer and town meeting member of the Town of Falmouth. As for taking an oath as the Superintendent of the WWT Department, I am not sure. To what? The town bylaws, the municipal code, the Constitution of Mass? I don't believe that our town employees have to take an oath but I will let a town employee clarify that point. (I have worked for public agencies and have never taken an oath. The only oath I had to take was to the Constitution when I was in the military).
As for Mr. Potamis's statement, I do not agree that he should have made the comments while representing his position. He is free to make comments as a private citizen but that was not the manner in which it was printed.
Mr. Potamis receives emails (as well as phone calls) from the neighbors about the turbine operation. It is my understanding that this is a means of communication allowed by both parties. It provides for documentation on the record of issues and responses.
RE: Mr. Suso - He did apologize to the neighbors for the extra time Wind II operated into the evening on Dec 24th. He did explain that it was a software issue and the turbine was manually stopped when the town was notified. There was no attempt to be disingenuous with the neighbors.
Blowin Smoke
10:37 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Mr. Potamis is correct and admirably frank... Consider the
Massachusetts Department of Public Health (DPH) and Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) press release from 1/17/12.
http://www.mass.gov/dep/public/press/0112wind.htm
Verbatim excerpt:
" - There is no evidence for a set of health effects from exposure to wind turbines that could be characterized as a "Wind Turbine Syndrome.
- Claims that infrasound from wind turbines directly impacts the vestibular system have not been demonstrated scientifically. Available evidence shows that the infrasound levels near wind turbines cannot impact the vestibular system.
- The weight of the evidence suggests no association between noise from wind turbines and measures of psychological distress or mental health problems.
- None of the limited epidemiological evidence reviewed suggests an association between noise from wind turbines and pain and stiffness, diabetes, high blood pressure, tinnitus, hearing impairment, cardiovascular disease, and headache/migraine."
It's time to set the baloney aside. Wind turbines are harmless.
David KEnt
11:39 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Blowin,
I kinda hate to say that you're right that, generally, there is little scientific explanation for what the Falmouth turbine neighbors are complaining of. I'll probably get deluged with 20 scientific studies. But the survey studies of the current science, like the one done by the State, do show that generally.
But you know what Blowin? Science isn't always on top of things. Scientific discovery runs on a calendar like any other human endeavor. Most everything we know now we didn't know at some point in time. Basically, science can be behind the curve.
I've talked to enough neighbors to decide that I believe them. No, I can't defend that with data or studies.
In any case, science is useful and important, but it can be behind. So quoting that State study with the level of confidence that you use it, IMO, incorrect.
Lily, are you reading this? I'm defending the neighbors!
Bill Carson
9:23 am on Monday, December 31, 2012
The Wind I turbine will be operating three years in January of 2013. The Vestas V 82 turbine was built around 2004 for a wind project in Orleans,Cape Cod. It was held in storage in a Texas warehouse since 2005. Wind I began operating in Jan 2010.
The Vestas V 82 is a take off of the NEG Micon company NM 82 commercial wind turbine . The two companies merged in 2004. Catastrophic gear box and rotor disasters brought NEG Micon to its knees.
At some point in time in 2013 the entire Town of Falmouth will understand the health issues siting commercial wind turbines in residential neighborhoods, noise issues, shadow flicker and real estate property devaluations.
Financially many towns in New England today face catastrophic gear box failures in three year old turbines. The Town of Falmouth may have failed to do its "Due Diligence. " The taxpayers may soon pay the operation and maintenance costs in addition to buying the homes around the current turbines or shutting them off at night.
mark cool
2:10 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Dave - only one study.. the most recent... just updated Dec 24, 2012. I encourage you to read the report itself. The trend of this necessary research (albeit late and without professional health practitioner oversight ) is starting to catch up to regulatory policy. I've already sent this to the Falmouth Board of Health. It'll be interesting how the board reacts.
“A Cooperative Measurement Survey and Analysis of Low Frequency and Infrasound at the Shirley Wind Farm in Brown County, Wisconsin” http://www.vce.org/Report%20Number%20122412-1%2021-18-12%20FINAL%20(3).pdf
Prepared Cooperatively By:
Channel Islands Acoustics, Camarillo, CA
Principal: Dr. Bruce Walker
Hessler Associates, Inc., Haymarket, VA
Principals: George F. and David M. Hessler
Rand Acoustics, Brunswick, ME
Principal: Robert Rand
Schomer and Associates, Inc., Champaign, IL
Principal: Dr. Paul Schomer
The importance of this new report on a study of ILFN can be summed up in these two quotes.
~The four investigating firms are of the opinion that enough evidence and hypotheses have been given herein to classify LFN and infrasound as a SERIOUS ISSUE, possibly affecting the future of the industry. It should be addressed beyond the present practice of showing that wind turbine levels are magnitudes below the threshold of hearing at low frequencies.~
mark cool
2:10 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
AND ~Currently the wind turbine industry presents only A‐weighted octave band data down to 31 Hz. They have stated that the wind turbines do not produce low frequency sound energies. The measurements at Shirley have clearly shown that low frequency infrasound is clearly present and relevant. A‐weighting is totally inadequate and inappropriate for description of this infrasound. In point of fact, the A‐weighting, and also the C and Z‐weightings for a Type 1 sound level meter have a lower tolerance limit of ‐4.5 dB in the 16 Hz one‐third‐octave band, a tolerance of minus infinity in the 12.5 Hz and 10 Hz one‐third‐ octave bands, and are totally undefined below the 10 Hz one‐third‐octave band. Thus, the International Electro‐technical Commission (IEC) standard needs to include both infrasonic measurements and a standard for the instrument by which they are measured.~
David KEnt
2:34 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Mark,
First comment: These darn study writers need to go to Business School. Apparently, nobody ever taught these guys how to write an Executive Summary! But I digress.
This is an interesting study but it falls into the same category as the McPherson study did: Low cost, short duration. The writers of the study are careful to emphasize that. They take about the same attitude that I've had about McPherson: An interesting study that needs more extensive follow up.
So your main point is that this study shows that turbines DO generate infrasound. And you contrast that to the industry position: Turbines DON'T generate infrasound. Can you explain where that industry position comes from? That is, why do you say that is a general industry position?
Yes this is interesting and useful.
Bill Carson
2:57 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
The Chief Executive Officer, Ditlev Engel of Vestas wind turbine company acknowledges low frequency noise . What more proof do you need ?
Falmouth Wind I is a Vestas V 82 wind turbine!
Here is the quote from the letter :
"At this point you may have asked yourself why it is that Vestas does not just make changes to the wind turbines so that they produce less noise? The simple answer is that at the moment it is not technically possible to do so, and it requires time and resources because presently we are at the forefront of what is technically possible for our large wind turbines, and they are the most efficient of all.:
Letter from Vestas worried about regulation of low-frequency noise Author: Engel, Ditlev
Dear Karen Ellemann,*
http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/letter-from-vestas-worried-about-regulation-of-low-frequency-noise/
mark cool
3:16 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Bill ~ I was just about to send this to Dave. Good job!
David KEnt
3:22 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
OK, I'm convinced: Turbines generate infrasound. You know what I still find most interesting in all of this? In the McPherson study they detected no infrasound outside but they DID detect it inside, which suggests that the vibration of structures cause the sound.
Bill Carson
4:21 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Dave , FYI you may want to look into" random assault" of the wind turbines. Think of your house as a drum and your in it as the vibrations travel over your roof.
The turbines make the most noise from the sides as the air rushes down the blades. The side is much louder than being behind the turbine. The trailing air from the blades creates a rope effect of air following the blades. This is the whoop sound in your home. The higher the wind speed the more air flow.
The noise effect "infra-sound" or "low frequency" is called a random assault because as the turbine moves around with the wind the homes to the side of the turbines are the most affected. If the wind blows from one direction for several days, those homes to the sides of the turbines become "hot spots." The "hot spots" can change at random as does the wind.
Wind turbines make different types of sound, including broadband, infrasonic, impulsive and tonal sound. To some people it sounds like a pair sneakers in a clothes dryer and others never hear it.
David KEnt
4:52 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
My friends who know me (Mr. techno-weeny) would be surprised to hear me say this:
I don't think the path to victory for the Falmouth turbine neighbors will be paved by science, studies, etc. I think it will be paved by 2 things:
1. Getting Town Meeting members to believe the neighbors - and more importantly
2. Reducing the financial impact on the town.
I suspect that the attitudes of many Town Meeting members is a mixture of disbelief (or belief that the neighbors are exaggerating) and an unwillingness to blast a hole in the town budget. I say the latter is more important because I bet that if the cost were to suddenly become manageable, a BUNCH of TM members would switch sides rapidly. They MUST be tired of this by now and ready to cave if the price tag isn't inordinate.
Someone may have answered this before but: Are there SERIOUS efforts going on to lessen the financial impact? Grant forgiveness, the State bearing much of the brunt, etc.?
mark cool
5:06 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Dave - you make a point. Something worth further investigation??? “The wake effect has been modeled in wind tunnel studies and numerical models, but the atmosphere is different, it's more variable and complicated.”
(Turbine Wake and Inflow Characterization Study, a Memorandum of
Understanding on “Weather-dependent and Oceanic Renewable Energy
Resources” signed by NOAA and the DOE in January 2011)
“NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) researchers are launching a study to make visible the invisible “wakes” produced behind wind
turbines. Wind-farm designs have long known that wind turbine rotors generate
ripples, waves, and other atmospheric disturbances downstream of turbines.”
(Study to detailed airflow through wind farm, Windpower Engineering
April 30, 2011 by Paul Dvorak)
The shear forces caused by the rapid air velocity at the apex of the tornado is evidence of the vast amounts of energy and dramatic drops of atmospheric pressure a vortex can generate. The same principle, to a lesser degree, is true for vortices in the body of air after passing a wind turbine. The blade-tip vortices follow the blade rotation, blade tip speed and inturn, vortex cells have rotational as much as 150 mph in the case of Wind I. At higher wind speeds (wind velocity rate in-front of turbine) the wake field expands and more mixing occurs and the wake field is less contained and spreads out.
mark cool
5:26 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
The only thing I know with certainty is that SOMETHING, not present before APR2010, has caused me pressure head aches both in my house and outside on various places on my property. Wanting to help the BoH, I've tracked (daily incidents and the details of relief). “A surprising feature of the flow behind a turbine is a low-frequency fluctuation both in the wake and in the air flow outside the wake.”
(Measurements on a Wind Turbine Wake: 3D Effects and Bluff Body Vortex Shedding by D. Medici and P.H. Alfredsson [2006])
I'm convinced there's SOMETHING (not know exactly the culprit) involving the frequencies generated and carried in the wake of Wind 1. Did you know that wind industry engineers recently modified the industry standard site separation criteria? At higher wind speeds, the effect of a wind turbine wake, now may take as many
as 16 rotor diameters for the airstream to recover back to the initial free-airflow. Where before it was believe to require 10 rotor diameters. This new standard equates to 4736'. It's amazing to me that the wind industry, in it’s effort to better understand wake effect to improve turbine performance, would examine downstream wake decay distances for optimum wind capacity for best production output, but governmental health agencies would be reluctant to do further rigorous investigation into the high volume of adverse health conditions experienced close to turbines. Odd???
mark cool
5:49 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Dave ! Reducing the financial impact on the town is a huge obstacle. The WTOP Facilitator stood before this last town meeting and in her update stated that ALL option being considered require $$$. That being said, I say again (millionth time), this issue is primarily a problem of public health. Stay with me here... A community's Public health problem is suppose to be mitigated/solved by enforcement actions instituted by the local health board. All political policy decision making is trumped by the protections owed to it's citizens, and enforced by it's board of health. It's part of the powers granted by the Mass Home Rule Charter. Yet, everyone thinks the "end-game" should somehow be directly correlated to TM policy and priority setting. In this particular instance, that couldn't be further from the truth. And the truth is being hung out to dry because the state dept. Public Health has said a health study in Falmouth is too costly. A valid reason, just like the fiscal obstacle here in Falmouth. Yet, what of the principal that political policy decision making (no matter the $) being trumped by the protections owed to citizens, and enforced by agencies mandated to protect the public's health?
Blowin Smoke
9:05 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
So now the problem, according to Mr. Cool, is: "SOMETHING". Something invisible and mysterious to even the most dedicated complainant. This shows the elusive nature of the problem. What exactly IS the problem? We used to read that the turbines created a roar like jet engines, and made walls pulsate. Those complaints melted away, since the loudest sound measured by DEP (51 dBa) turns out to be comparable to a refrigerator. Then it was ALL about sleep disturbance, so the Town turns turbines off every night. Somehow that's not enough, the symptoms are morphing again, into... "something". How to make sense of all this? We're told there's mysterious invisible effects at work, unexplainable by current science. I favor another theory, put forward by a distinguished professor of public health (Simon Chapman). He says the symptoms are "psychogenic", in other words are caused and spread by anxiety alone. Chapman points out that turbine neighbors who receive some income from turbines are immune from all symptoms..
Bill Carson
10:52 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Vestas Wind Systems needs to step up to the plate and take responsibilty !
In January of 2010 Vestas installed and sited two Vestas V 82 commercial wind turbines in Falmouth ,Massachusetts USA. The Massachusetts Technology Collaborative a semi quasi state agency sold the turbines into the Falmouth area. Today over one hundred residential homes are affected by infra sound. Negotiations have been going on over health issues from the turbines for eight months.
The wind industry ,state and local officials ,semi-quasi state agencies encouraged by the Governor Patrick Administration’s goal to expand wind power continue to risk the health of citizens.
Town Meeting Members and local politicians have to publicly recognize the physical illnesses and emotional suffering caused by operating wind turbines! Senate President Therese Murray (D-Plymouth) is worried about the health of the citizens living around the turbines.Why not Town Meeting Members ? The town is deliberately inflicting acute pain by one person on another for financial gain.
Bill Carson
10:46 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
President & CEO Ditlev Engel of Vestas Wind Systems acknowledges low frequency sound waves.The url is at the bottom of the page.
General Electric would not site any commercial wind turbines in the Falmouth area because of the problems with setbacks to residential homes.GE has to approve the siting requirements before they sell a town a turbine.
The Vestas Wind Company has the same requirements as GE. The problem is the Massachusetts Technology Collaborative got approval from Vestas to site the two V 82 turbines at a site in Orleans ,Massachusetts . Vestas would never have approved the Falmouth locations if the turbines were new. The MTC owned the turbines since 2005 and got around the Vestas requirements .The town should demand a representative from Vestas should be at the WTOP meetings Jan 8 & 9 to provde info on how Vestas approved or did not approve the Falmouth sites !
https://www.wind-watch.org/documents/letter-from-vestas-worried-about-regulation-of-low-frequency-noise/
Blowin Smoke
7:04 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Carson - the Vestas letter you mention refers primarily to 3 MW turbines (twice the size of Falmouth's). How is that relevant?
Bill Carson
12:34 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
It's relevant because when the Falmouth Wind 1 turbine was built at the factory in 2004 they weren't placing commercial megawatt turbines hundreds of feet from homes. Massachusetts issued Model Wind Turbine Regulations . The regulations were based on placing 3000 commercial wind turbines along the coast line of Massachusetts . In other words the homes ,the original stake holders, already owned the property along the coast in the high wind areas .
The only way to site commercial megawatt turbines was way too close to residential homes .The state program went far to slow and residetial home owners have caught onto the bunco scheme of illegally taking their property .
The Model Wind Turbine Laws are really a Police Action
Class Action Litigation is the future for 2013 - Let the legal action begin !
Let's let a jury decide about noise ,shadow flicker ,ice throw, fire dangers and blade throw in residential neighborhoods !!!!